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  1. Is this legal?
    Due to the large number of applications we are receiving and the particular nature of the position, please only apply if you hold a degree from any of the following institutions:
    • Oxford University
    • Cambridge University
    • University of Edinburgh
    • London School of Economics</u>
    Although I clearly am qualified on that basis alone, I'm not sure I would ever want to work somewhere whose management thought that way.

  2. The local elections in Georgia have been called for October 5th. Election observers will probably be needed.

  3. I think that one of the "lunatic fringes" to which Chris Priest referred in his GoH speech to last year's Worldcon has just expanded to include most of fandom. [edited to add: I should make clear that I myself do not regard the people concerned as in any way lunatic.]

  4. wwhyte has an interesting observation about Rose's story arc in Doctor Who. Go read it.

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grahamsleight
Aug. 29th, 2006 09:24 am (UTC)
Re 1: wow. If you're not able to say what institution this is, are you able to say what *kind* of institution it is?
nwhyte
Aug. 29th, 2006 09:26 am (UTC)
It's a lobbying firm in Brussels.
blue_condition
Aug. 29th, 2006 09:32 am (UTC)
Probably not illegal, in that they're not restricting people on grounds of ethnicity, gender, religion, sexuality etc.

Certainly dubious though - you could claim that restricting it to UK universities restricts applicants based on nationality, but then again they're open to anyone...


communicator
Aug. 29th, 2006 10:05 am (UTC)
I don't think it's illegal, but I think it is very misguided. Incidentally at my first ever job interview I was told that they had intended to offer the job only to an Oxbridge grad, but luckily they also did an IQ test on applicants, which sort of destroyed the policy. Not that IQ tests are a brilliant way of detemining ability, but it gave the proles a chance.
blue_condition
Aug. 29th, 2006 10:30 am (UTC)
At least they're out in the open about it.

A few years ago a colleague and I looked after engineering recruitment for the company we worked for. We didn't have an "official" policy on which institutions we'd take people from, but we became so unimpressed with the candidates we saw with degrees from some universities and courses that CVs from them would be skimmed and binned very quickly unless something really stood out.

(And no, it wasn't just "new universities" - one of the worst courses we ever came across was an MSc at an otherwise good older university that produced four of the worst candidates we ever encountered... although the guy who managed to mis-spell "De Montfort" four ways in three pages didn't impress us much. Neither did the guy who claimed to have studied 'Astrology' as part of his 'Physic' degree at one of the New Universities in London).

In the end, we tended to recruit "in our own image" - heavy emphasis on York because we knew the people and the departments they came out of but apart from that mostly Northern/Midlands redbricks with a smattering of Oxbridge people, many of whom had moved up North for postgrad work.
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nwhyte
Aug. 29th, 2006 10:47 am (UTC)
No idea, I'm afraid. Those countries aren't in the OSCE, so that route isn't available; I understand the the UN Volunteers scheme is one possible avenue, and your foreign ministry should be able to tell you if they do election observing anywhere.
(no subject) - acesspadesdice - Aug. 29th, 2006 11:08 am (UTC) - Expand
xnamkrad
Aug. 29th, 2006 11:56 am (UTC)
Is this legal
When I was working in a different company that my present employment they brought in a policy that all new programmers / software developers had to have a university degree. After being burnt by several graduates who I'm sure were skilled in other ways but could not write working code, they changed to graduates from specific unis only who had as part of the course a nine month work placement.
SO it depends on what they are looking for. In the case of IT, it's all very well knowing the theorey behind database design, etc but that dont help when the invoicing software has crashed due to a bug and has to be fixed ASAP.
jdigital
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:13 pm (UTC)
This is true. It's entirely possible for someone to pass a Computer Science degree on the grounds of being a capable student, only to find themselves unable to write actual programs. Conversely, it's possible to be an accomplished programmer without having set foot in a university.

Of course, a university will teach you much of the theory and groundwork that a self-educated programmer may lack.
CS != programming - nickbarnes - Aug. 30th, 2006 09:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
bennmorland
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:08 pm (UTC)
I just turned on my radio, and thought I heard "...Ford was 92 years old."

Did Gerald Ford die last night?
nwhyte
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:13 pm (UTC)
No, he's had a couple of heart operations in the last two weeks but was discharged from hospital last night - probably what you half heard.
(no subject) - bennmorland - Aug. 29th, 2006 12:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
smhwpf
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:12 pm (UTC)
In UK law it could be illegal. If you could demonstrate that a significantly smaller than average proportion of graduates at those universities were from ethnic minorities, for example (which I suspect may well be the case), and if you could demonstrate that a the condition they've imposed is not necessary to be capable of doing the job (which is fairly obviously the case), then they would be guilty of indirect race discrimination. Their requirement would disadvantage particular ethnic groups, without being necessary for the job, which is illegal. I don't know how it would work in Belgian law though.
bennmorland
Aug. 29th, 2006 12:15 pm (UTC)
Completely off-topic, I know, but your icon is one of the best I've seen in a long while.
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davesangel
Aug. 29th, 2006 02:10 pm (UTC)
I'm rather unpleasantly surprised that any management would think that way. I'm also very surprised that they place LSE up there with Cambridge, Oxford, Edinburgh...I'd be more inclined to place Warwick, Leeds, York, and at least half a dozen other universities way above LSE...

Very interesting observation about DW indeed, thanks for that link...But was it really 3 years between Rose's separation from the Doctor and her meeting him again in Norway? I thought it was 3 months, or perhaps I'm just reading it wrong... :)
nwhyte
Aug. 29th, 2006 02:18 pm (UTC)
Re LSE - this job ad is very specifically for the Brussels policy environemnt, where (as I've commented to others) LSE really does seem to me to produce much the best graduates of any british unviersity. But it is still silly to exclude all (or even most) others.
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pgmcc
Aug. 29th, 2006 03:36 pm (UTC)
Off topic, but I have the poisoning article you were after. I will scan it tomorrow and e-mail it to your LJ mail account unless you want it to go to another mailbox.

If the quality is not good then send me a street address and I will post the origina.

nwhyte
Aug. 29th, 2006 03:58 pm (UTC)
Cheers. My preferred email address is on my LJ profile page, though of course my livejournal address autoforwards to it.
applez
Aug. 29th, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
Their mistake was in writing it, and letting it get out.
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