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The Planet Quinnis, and Doctor Who's family

Sparked by this evening's episode and by the following exchange from 1964's The Edge of Destruction:
(Susan points to the scanner where the picture has changed to that of a swampland accompanied by the cries of strange creatures.)
Susan : Oh, I recognise that. That's where we nearly lost the TARDIS, four or five journeys back.
Doctor: Yes, the planet Quinnis.
The Tenth Doctor's offhand remark to Rose this evening that he was once a father, and my current binge of watching early First Doctor stories, plus my past irritation with Lungbarrow, have been making me put some effort into constructing my own prehistory of the Doctor.

The Tenth Doctor describes himself as having been a father; the First Doctor is introduced to us as a grandfather. This to me clearly means that his race have the potential for a parent-child relationship of the kind excluded by the Lungbarrow scenario.

(And while of course accepting that this is not necessarily a biological relationship, there are no grounds whatever for insisting that this must apply to the Doctor.)

It's also observable that when the Third Doctor was in an earth hospital in Spearhead from Space, while the human doctors exclaimed at his second heart, they didn't remark on any other aspects of his plumbing. It's also observable that female Gallifreyans have visible secondary sexual characteristics. (Speaking of secondary sexual charcteristics, are there any bearded Time Lords?) I therefore feel certain that Gallifreyans reproduce sexually, and not very differently from us humans.

(But I don't take the Leela/Andred relationship as useful evidence of interfertility between Gallifreyans and humans. While I accept that Leela is probably descended from earth humans, I don't think she did much research on Andred's biology. Though she may well have done some.)

So there's a whole history of two Gallifreyan generations in the Doctor's life before his arrival on Earth in 1963. I see there is various secondary canon literature on this, and I may well start reading it. Or, perhaps, more than just reading it.

Oh yeah, and it's noticeable that Ian doesn't spot anything odd about the Doctor's heartbeat in The Edge of Destruction. Maybe Gallifreyans get the second heart only when they first regenerate?

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deborah_c
Jun. 24th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC)
Are there not observations in the TV movie (the eighth doctor one) that he's actually half human? Or am I misremembering? If so, then he might indeed be different from other Gallifreyans; on the other hand, it means that at least one Gallifreyan must have been fertile with a human in the past...
nwhyte
Jun. 24th, 2006 09:15 pm (UTC)
I thinnk you remember correctly - but I haven't watched the Eight Doctor movie yet, and am open to the possibility that he may have been joking...
purplepooka
Jun. 25th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
Don't we all wish...
I just pretend the whole movie never happened.
surliminal
Jun. 25th, 2006 03:37 pm (UTC)
actually him being half human would explain his otherwise very peculiar exclusive love affair with the human race, which I otherwise find a bit irritating..
(Anonymous)
Sep. 22nd, 2007 07:05 pm (UTC)
Your Wrong
If the docter is half human then he's not the last time lord.
blue_condition
Jun. 24th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
> Maybe Gallifreyans get the second heart only when they first regenerate?

That one's been suggested several times.
strictlytrue
Jun. 24th, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC)
are there any bearded Time Lords?

There's the Master, for a start. And in at least two incarnations.

I've never bought all this "loom" nonsense, either - and the Doctor remarks in "Tomb of the Cybermen" about memories of his family "sleeping in his mind", which, although it doesn't expressly mention his children, doesn't exclude the possibility of it being a human-type family. The tone of it actually reinforces this idea, if anything.
major_clanger
Jun. 24th, 2006 09:56 pm (UTC)
are there any bearded Time Lords?

Yes - The Master!
tanngrisnir
Jun. 26th, 2006 07:51 pm (UTC)
are there any bearded Time Lords?

The Master!
tanngrisnir
Jun. 26th, 2006 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re: the heartbeat; I'm trying to remember that scene, is it one where Ian puts his ear to the Doctor's chest and listens (through his clothing)? Not the best technique for hearing a heartbeat. Perhaps he just didn't hear it.

One possibility, given the Doctor's advancing years in that body, is that one of his hearts had failed at some point, and he didn't get a fully functioning Time Lord cardiovascular system until he regenerated in The Tenth Planet.
(Anonymous)
Jul. 9th, 2006 10:23 am (UTC)
there are so many secrets behind doctor who. all you can do is ask the generation who watched it as kids or contact the BBC. but im sure the doctor is half human. maybe time lords have 1 heart but he has two. one from his time lord dad and one from his human mother. his mum was human. maybe she is still alive?
good luck
chris_in_the_hemel@hotmail.com
tanngrisnir
Jul. 9th, 2006 10:17 pm (UTC)
It was alleged in the Paul McGann effort that he was half-human. It was never suggested any other time. I think that’s just one more bit of crap from a fairly crap attempt at Who (and that is the opinion of other long-term fans I have chatted to about this). I also don’t believe that in any of the Doctors’ Tardises in the real series would you find a torture chamber, for example. :o)

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