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Links I found interesting for 26-07-2013

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abigailb
Jul. 26th, 2013 11:12 am (UTC)
That's been a longstanding rumour, but he's on record as denying having talked about it.
parrot_knight
Jul. 26th, 2013 01:32 pm (UTC)
It would be impolite to admit it, certainly.... but thanks for reminding me about this denial. Now that we have a Prince George in the direct line of succession, I think that a Charles III in succession to Elizabeth II is more likely than not.
nojay
Jul. 26th, 2013 11:16 am (UTC)
Charles III is taken (unofficially) -- the title was awarded to Bonnie Prince Charlie by the Pope when he was exiled to France after Culloden. I think his son and heir got Charles IV. Somehow I don't think that will be taken into consideration when and if the time comes.
paratti
Jul. 26th, 2013 11:48 am (UTC)
Doesn't count.
parrot_knight
Jul. 26th, 2013 12:00 pm (UTC)
Very much so!
parrot_knight
Jul. 26th, 2013 11:59 am (UTC)
He didn't need to be awarded it by the pope, as he simply assumed it on the death of his father in 1766. He had no legitimate children and was succeeded as Jacobite claimant by his brother Henry 'IX' and then by his remote cousin Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia, counted by Jacobites as Charles 'IV' though this was not a claim he pressed.
nojay
Jul. 26th, 2013 12:06 pm (UTC)
His claim to be Charles III was recognised by the Papacy and the French court, at least in private. How far they went in supporting that claim in the world of diplomacy and international relations I don't know. Probably not very far.
parrot_knight
Jul. 26th, 2013 12:14 pm (UTC)
Yes. The papacy was far less interested in being seen to support his claim than it was that of his father.
smhwpf
Jul. 26th, 2013 01:50 pm (UTC)
Neil Oliver on the BBC series History of Scotlan (the relevant episode of which I just watched) said that the Pope recognized BPC's father as James III & VIII of England, Scotland and Ireland; upon James' death in 1766, Charles asked to be recognized as Charles III, but this was refused; however, upon Charles' death, the Pope relented and posthumously recognized his claim.

Of course, it is rather an important principle of the UK's unwritten constitution that the Pope doesn't get a say in such matters.
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