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Well, another Hugo-nominated film based on a comic that I had barely heard of. I found the politics stupid to the point of being offensive: I don't think anyone with the slightest notion about Afghanistan could find either the kidnapping plot or the Iron-Man-rescues-the-villagers scene anything other than crude and simplistic. (And bloke who's grown up living off the fortunes of his dad's arms business is converted to Doing Good when he suddenly realises that the bangy things kill people? Gimme a break.)

The effects were pretty impressive, but essentially allowed Iron Man and Iron Monger to ignore the laws of physics to the point where there wasn't much tension left. This will not be at the top of my Hugo ballot.

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redfiona99
Jun. 10th, 2009 01:33 pm (UTC)
>>(And bloke who's grown up living off the fortunes of his dad's arms business is converted to Doing Good when he suddenly realises that the bangy things kill people? Gimme a break.)<< About the only thing I can say in the film-makers defence is that they were kind of stuck with that, as it's an origin film and that's always been the story in the comic book.
andrewducker
Jun. 10th, 2009 01:43 pm (UTC)
I am intrigued to know what comics you _have_ heard of.
nwhyte
Jun. 10th, 2009 01:53 pm (UTC)
My education is ongoing, and for the last few years has been blogged here under my comics tag!
natural20
Jun. 10th, 2009 01:49 pm (UTC)
Whereas I'm of the opinion it captured Tony Stark really well and was one of the best superhero movies of recent years, probably beating everything apart from Batman Begins & Dark Knight. But then again, I'm pretty familiar with Iron Man.
raycun
Jun. 10th, 2009 02:07 pm (UTC)
I can kind of let them away with the "Guns kill people?!?! OMG!" thing, because Stark is shown as very self-centred. He obviously knows what it is that he's making, but he doesn't think about it beyond the intellectual challenge. He's good at it, he enjoys tinkering, and his world is divided into i) the things he does in his lab, and ii) the parties he goes to. It's all a game, and it only stops being a game when he himself is under threat, and he is forced to relate to someone else.
It's not deep characterisation, but it is a comic book movie, and Downey is charming enough to bring me along.

The rest though... Why do they kidnap Stark? Because they're evil. Why kill the Americans? Because they're evil. Why attack the village? Because they're evil. AIUI, the original comics had the same basic plotline, but instead of EVIL Afghans they had EVIL Vietnamese.
seawasp
Jun. 10th, 2009 02:17 pm (UTC)
It's not "guns kill people, OMG", it was "Holy CRAP, my weapons are being sold and used WITHOUT REGARD TO WHO USES THEM!"


Tony was an isolated genius, comfortable rich genius, who was basically a good-natured guy who never had any demands (non-intellectual) put on him, and is suddenly thrust into a hellish example of the Real World. For a guy with his character, there's two possible directions he could have gone. One would be to essentially become like Stane: cynical, the world sucks but I'll be on top, or to keep the ideals but become active about it, which is what Iron Man is.

As to "Why kidnap Stark"? in a related comment: because they were hired to do so, as Obadiah Stane was starting to find Tony cramping his style. He didn't die because the hired guns recognized who they had and that he was a better bargaining chip alive than dead.

Yeah, the politics are simple. It's a comic book. Here's some bad guys trying to take over some country/make a political point/etc. somewhere, Our Hero gets involved with them, eventually Our Hero confronts them.

It's the best comic book movie I've ever seen. (Batman Begins runs a very close second. Dark Knight... is too dark for me, one of the very few movies I'll say was a good flick, and I will never watch again).
yea_mon
Jun. 11th, 2009 01:15 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way - a really enjoyable movie.

And regarding the physics - at least we had the high altitude ice-up...
yea_mon
Jun. 11th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Sh*t - did I write 'movie'?

I mean film, film!
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