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The Next Doctor - spoilers

Before I get into spoiler territory, I just want to say that this is definitely the best of the four Christmas specials (five, counting the one in 1965).

Things I loved: The steampunk atmosphere. The montage of all ten doctors (New Who has taken a while to get to grips with the heritage of the series). That moment near the beginning when Tennant is actually wondering if Morrissey is a better Doctor than him. The line at the end where Ten admits that his companions break his heart. Dervla Kirwan (though I regret she played the part with an English accent, if at least with an Irish name). A Cyberman plot that comes close to making sense and doesn't contort itself unduly for the sake of continuity.

Things I thought were a bit silly but didn't spoil it for me: The Cyberking (reminded me too much of a Megazord, except less convincing). As lonemagpie eloquently puts it, the "Cyber-shades" were crap (though at least IMHO less crap than the Cybermats). The line about Rosita being Jackson/Frederic's future nursemaid probably sounded much less offensive in RTD's head than it came over on screen.

But all in all, really good stuff.

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lonemagpie
Dec. 25th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
The line about Rosita being Jackson/Frederic's future nursemaid probably sounded much less offensive in RTD's head than it came over on screen.

Not saying "forget your dead wife and marry this hooker" (yes, she is, the actress said so last week in an interview) is not racist.

nwhyte
Dec. 25th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
Sorry, it's late (at least, here in Belgium it's later than it is for you) on 25 December and my brain is fuddled; there are too many "not"s in that last sentence. What do you mean?
lonemagpie
Dec. 25th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
I was assuming that you meant the recommendation to have Rosita as presumably a form of servant rather than as a spouse/lover (so soon after being widowed) was racism on RTD's part
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minny
Dec. 25th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC)
Thought you'd appreciate this (we only really watch Doctor Who at Christmas):

"Why do all doctor's assistants have to be so GOBBY?" (- my mother)
grahamsleight
Dec. 25th, 2008 10:03 pm (UTC)
The Cybershades reminded me irresistibly of the Taran Wood Beast, I'm afraid.
strange_complex
Dec. 25th, 2008 10:38 pm (UTC)
Hehe, me too - I've just said exactly that in my own review of the story.

nwhyte - absolutely spot-on, every word. I was particularly pleased by how well the Cybermen came out of it, in fact. I was rather dreading them, but they seemed very 'in character' here (if 'character' is considered acceptable to Cybermen) - and consequently actually quite frightening for the first time in New Who.
nickbarnes
Dec. 25th, 2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
Steam mecha: ace. Jackson-as-future-Doctor mystery: ace. Jackson remembers wife but not son: absurd. Gas-borne TARDIS: ace. Mercy mysteriously dominates Cybermen: pants. Cybercats: pants. Kid slaves: ridiculous but yawn, Christmas. Rosita: anachronistic. Jackson/Rosita: offensive.
manjushra
Dec. 25th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
What are you lot on about? The whole ep was slow, rehearsing old ground, old aliens, old lines about the Doc being sad and lonely, and as for the PowerRangers/Muppets contributions to the show - well, words fail me.
Also, when "converting" the woman in red why didn't the Cyberbaddies use the whole set of enormous blades to scalp her and scoop her brains out? Why this shilly-shallying around with a wussy hat and bright lights?

As my kids said, why cant we have some new aliens?
nickbarnes
Dec. 26th, 2008 07:25 pm (UTC)
why can't we have some new aliens?
Because it's Rusty. He's only heard of Daleks and Cybermen, and he's incapable of originality.

What irritates me about the endless RTD retreads of Daleks/Cybermen is that they are all linear, all further down the subjective timeline not only for the Doctor but also for the metal monsters. This is ridiculous. These Cybers could have fallen through some Macguffin wormhole from any point in the Doctor/Cyber saga. The Daleks are different (now) because the Rose/TARDIS God deleted them from space-time, much as the Time Lords themselves had been conveniently deleted in the Time Wars. But that's just yet another stupid hole that RTD has dug for himself, and for us, and out of which he has had to lever us every time he wants the blasted psycho-pepper-pots to roll again.

These particular Cybers did have a CD-ROM (um, info-stick? dildo-drive?) mentioning Doctor Tennant, but it wasn't necessary to the plot.
iainjcoleman
Dec. 26th, 2008 11:09 pm (UTC)
Because it's Rusty. He's only heard of Daleks and Cybermen, and he's incapable of originality.

That is one of the most astonishingly, jaw-droppingly stupid statements I have ever read.
manjushra
Dec. 26th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
but the point about treating the plotline as if it involved linear time stands, I think.
Scifi scriptwriters are ALWAYS falling down the time-travel paradox wormhole. Originality would be for 2008 Who to meet 1980 cybers, for example.

What I miss in Who now, and don't understand the plotline reasoning, is Galifrey and co-TimeLords. Surely the TimeWars and how Who got to survive them is worthy of a Christmas special, perhaps even a post-watershed.
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nickbarnes
Dec. 27th, 2008 12:27 am (UTC)
You don't read much.
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manjushra
Dec. 26th, 2008 12:06 am (UTC)
...and another thing
Christmas ep: Earth, London, Christmastide: again and again and again.
braisedbywolves
Dec. 26th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
Re: ...and another thing
Yes, why can't they show us what Christmas means on other planets? Oh hang on...
manjushra
Dec. 26th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
Re: ...and another thing
thanks for the dripping irony. It amused us endlessly during a boxing day walk as we imagined about twenty different takes on Aliens-do-or-don't-do-Christmas.
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